Just to make my opinion absolutely clear, Gohan is stronger then Goku at the end of the buu saga.Jpark0015 16:07, August 30, 2011 (UTC). The main issue here is SSJ3 massively drains power, while Ultimate is a regular SSJ form without the stupidly powerful power drain. Gotenks was barely able to keep up with Super Buu in his SSj3 form, whereas Goku was stronger than Fat Buu, and >= to Kid Buu. And I mean stronger than regular Super Buu not the Z Fighters absorbed versions. This form is much different from any Saiyan's form. Gohan completely flattens Goku. To those arguing with Goku's statement as some kind of fact, Goku has been wrong. This should be enough to prove that Gohan is stronger however some people like to refer to the filler fight between goku and buutenks and use that as evidence. I don't like using movies, but that is all we have that can actually determine something. AND the only reason kid buu pushed it back was because goku was too tired to push it. Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks - Who would win? DBZ ultimate gohan vs ssj3 goku from dragon ball super I know that Ultimate Gohan/Mystic Gohan who fought super buu was stronger than SSJ 3 Goku from Buu saga. When Mystic Gohan fought Super Buu, he easily crushed him, something that not even SSj3 Gotenks could do. So at this point all we can say is they are equal with maybe Gohan having the slight edge. When Mystic Gohan first came, Piccolo said that it must be Goku because it was the greatest power level he ever felt! plenty of times in the original manga. SSj3 goku, why thats because gohan will never reach his full power without sentimental reasons, where as goku is a born fighter, gohan would never fight againist his dad with full force, even if he did, he cannot defear goku in goku's ssj3 form like gohan vs cell. I know Buu said he was warming up, but Gotenks was clearly dominating the fight. 0 losses. When was there any evidence that Goku wasn't stronger than Super Buu? On the other hand, when Piccolo Buu was made, Goku said "Gohan can take you now". 121.222.11.242 06:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC). So this indicates both SSJ1 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku have the strenght to defeat Fat Majin Buu. In the week prior to episode 90th, where Gohan was going to have a training fight against Goku in Super Saiyan Blue, a japanese magazine gave an advancement saying this was going to happen and that mystic Gohan was going to be able to hold his own against Super Saiyan Blue Goku. That's just his lower half. You're wrong. since you think the english dubs are canon, that is what you should call piccolo from now on. 28:11. Gotenks is younger and less experienced than both fighters band his technique is sloppy. Good day. The person who commented above(not in bold) has already provided proof. NomadMusikTalkFanon Wiki, I believe Ultimate Gohan is as strong as a ssj3 but would not be as strong as Goku was when he finished off Kid Buu. And Piccolo and the others sensed that Buu became far stronger when he became Super Buu. As the manga is the highest source of canon, then it's safe to say that Ultimate Gohan is stronger. all he means is that gotenks is stronger in base so he must be stronger in ssj too. As you recall, when you witness someone achieve a level of SSj, it makes it a hole lot easier to understand how to do it. Goku trains 24/7. He also takes punches that did damage to Gohan, like they were nothing. goku ssj3 is stronger than ultimate gohan. in funi dub, goku is clearly the strongest besides vegetto because he holds off kid buu whos the strongest of all buus. He said "Gohan can handle you now". you cant. On top of that AFTER he fought Kid Buu he said at full power he could beat him so obviously at full power he's stronger as he knew what Kid's strength was when he made that statement. He dragged out the fight because he could sense Gohan's power growing, and knew that he needed Gotenks alive and in one piece to have any hope of being able to absorb him and thus overcome Gohan. that was anime filler only. But still Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.BardockGoku 08:19, October 22, 2011 (UTC). It is quite obvious. That makes absolutely no sense. When he was near Super Buu he knew that Super Buu wouldn't let him reach his full power and that Gohan could defeat him on his own anyways. End of discussion.Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. When Goku was dead he shouldnt have been the one to kill buu since he wasnt alive, but since he was fully alive theres no reason that Goku couldnt have killed Buu, unless of course he was weaker. Goku said "We are still no match for his strenght" Super Buu>>>goku stated by goku himself. I just wanted to go out of my way to welcome you to our sub, because I first came here in a very similar manor. I always thought it was said that SSJ3 Goku could've rotflstomped Fat Buu had he tried. YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILE! What's for sure, Goku is stronger than Post-Rosat Gotenks who did evenly with Super Buu.174.94.74.35 00:03, March 14, 2013 (UTC)Not.from.here.guy. You who writes in bold, where the fuck did you get it in your head that Super Buu is SO much stronger than Kid Buu. toriyama had nothign to do with the american dub so not only is it non canon, its literally fanfiction. 15:08, December 28, 2011 (UTC). as i recall, gotenks went ssj3 without anyone ever showing him how. "Now for starters, we know that SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Fat Buu. gohan was simply overpowered power wise, and that is how it is in every dub and manga, not just funi. Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. AT originally said it but later he said the opposite, the guy really got shit for making Gohan the successor to Goku. He was able to fight Super Buu Gotenks Absorbed for a short time. and who died??? goku ssj1 in gt is comparable to what ssj1 gotenks was back then. 130 Lv. Turns out it was SSj Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT), who was equal to SSj3 Goku's level (although, this was before Goku stated that, had he went Full Power SSj3 on Majin Buu, he'd kill him). Gohan is definatly above Goku. The only thing I can say to this is because of the plot. Piccolo stated Gohan's ki is the strongest he as ever felt. His question does make sense since Gotenks didn't have the fighting skills/instincts that Goku had, which is why Goku managed to hold his ground (figuratively) against buu (gotenks absorbed). He did in fact say he could definately beat fat buu. When Gohan came along, he dominated him. To those saying Kid Buu is far weaker than Super Buu, didn't (at least in the anime) Gohan and the Z fighters back on earth donate some of their if not most of their energy to the spirit bomb then go around telling people to give up their energy. Think Frieza who survived it at 50 percent power couldn't push it back and Goku was very low on energy at that time as well. Ssj3 has no limit except if Goku gets tired. Kid Buu, is the original Buu. Because Buutenks got in Gohan's head. ... Bola de Dragón último de Budokai 3 ssj4 gogeta goku vs vegeta broly ssj3 gotenks gohan. SSj Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT)=SSj3 Goku (Suppressed power). Moreover, Goku's 1 day grant to earth was over o how can he take over buu when he was dead. SS2 is only a 2 times multiplier. So people need to stop using that as evidence. Goku [Ssj3] + Vegeta [Ssj2] vs Ultimate Gohan + Gotenks - May 8, 15; Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks SSjin3, Goku SSjin3, Vegeta SSjin Enraged - Apr 1, 14; Here's why: after fighting Majin Buu, Goku implied that an even stronger warrior than him was coming. So mystic Gohan accualy use his SSJ2 power so the energy of his can not be used to the spirit bomb because he is inpure. So this guy's question is invalid anyways. Dead Ssj3 Goku is closer to Jiren than Mystic Gohan in Super. actually i do give evidence. Now this is about Ultimate Gohan. It's possible GOku know what would happen if Buu absorbed their fusion so he could've done it for that purpose. So yeah we can stop the debate. EntertainmentFan14 17:23, October 15, 2011 (UTC). And started doing the whole "mind games" trick. one of the english dubs call piccolo "big green". A little bit tougher, but this got removed from that subreddit and i mean stronger than movie...??????????????????... 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