base super buu vs kid buu

"hE diDnT giVe eVeRyThInG" "dOubTfUL" you guys have nothing to support this but denial and incredulity and multiple instances suggest otherwise. Because Goku is a lot stronger than those two. Goku was probably trying to push the bomb but didn't have enough strength to overpower Buu until he was healed. Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. Just like how they had Gohan in a beam battle with a weaker Cell. R2: Janemba likely cannot kill any of these buus, but kid buu can't kill janemba either. Boomstick: And Kid Buu, Ultimate Pink Terror. It doesn't. With Tenor, maker of GIF Keyboard, add popular Super Buu animated GIFs to your conversations. Kid Buu (weaker by a slight margin) = Pure Evil Buu. He knows his limits and knows when to engage. Billions of people + plants add up obviously. DBS even added in stuff like how he was a mindless idiot who had hella god powers and couldn't utilize it, but I guess Buuhan should've logically had those too. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. When did I switch the subject here? I think there was a scene in the dub where Supreme Kai or Old Kai were making a big deal out of not underestimating Kid Buu because of his size. The answer is evident enough using the logic that Goku is using newer forms against Black when Super Buu was SSJ3 level. Kid Buu has less power but no inhibitions, all he does is destroy and kill. And ignoring the points I've made about Buutenks and Buuhan and moving to a different one. I don’t understand how clear it can be that Goku had no problems wanting to fight Kid Buu and was even stated to be able to destroy him in an instant at full power. Ikr? Super Buu is born. Kid Buu's demeanor throughout the fight laughing at and mocking Goku for half the time makes me question if he was fighting at full power too. However, after absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai, he was transformed into a less evil force by the Kai's influence and was later seale… Dabura notes that the version of him from this historyhas been taken care of. Well, some people claim hard fought battles in general give Saiyans Zenkai when they are forced to adapt. Vegeta's monologue was mostly about praising Goku rather than anything about Buu pretty sure, maybe I'll rewatch it later to confirm. Super Buu then brutally kills Smitty, the second deranged gunman, by turning into liquid and going down his throat, making him expand until he explodes. During his rampages, he absorbed the evil elements of races he eradicated and steadily became more violent and evil. How does speculation about it being plot convenience for Goku dismiss the fact that Goku blatantly stated that the SB with Gohan's energy included wouldn't be enough to take Buu out, or him wanting Gohan and Gotenks to fight Kid Buu together with them, or Gohan stating he'd merely go support them? As for genki dama argument, genki only makes 1/3 of ki so even if Gohan gave out everything (doubtful) that would only be 1/3 of his power (assuming every part of ki is equal to 1/3 that is, for all we know they vary in quantity). It's literally even specified they went out of their way to take everything rather than a bit more, what more do y'all need to have spelled out? There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. thats it in terms of strength, although Kid Buu will most likely win a match vs Fat Buu because he is reckless. Billions of sub-wall level humans and rock level plants doesn't even add up to planet level, let alone multi solar system or galaxy level. Kid Buu had Super saiyan 3 beat he is probably super saiyan 4 level at best. Fine with people disagreeing for Buuhan but saying Base Super buu is stronger is outright dishonesty. And earlier he was mocking and laughing at Super Buu with Piccolo absorbed and even powered down to Base in front of him like yeah my son can one shot you now. He asked to fight Son Goten and Trunks, and after trying to stall him (during which time Super Buu unleashed the Human Extinction Attac… And according to your own logic, it would be much more then my assumed estimate, Goku was already drained at that point and Gohan gave a fraction, And according to your own logic, it would be much more then my assumed estimate. Confused about what you mean by the third statement. Good Buu fights the Evil Buu. A lot of people say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu period. Majin Buu is an ancient force of destruction that has existed since time immemorial, cycling between periods of rampaging and hibernation. A lot of it has to do with it being said Kid Buu is more dangerous than Super Buu. And correct, by pure feats Buuhan at the very least is superior, but unlike you I don't dismiss credible canon statements and lore by using my own subjective interpretation of a single fight and call it a feat to contrive a contradiction that doesn't provably exist. Or half the stuff from nonsense like DBS with certain characters being able to fight on par with characters they have no business being as strong as. IIRC Goku said he could've killed Kid Buu but he let the fight drag on because he wanted to give Vegeta a chance to fight. Neither is likely to outright destroy the other since they won't be serious enough. From strongest to weakest it goes exactly like this: Kid Buu (weaker by a slight margin) = Pure Evil Buu. Current Buu hasn't shown any sign of improvement other than being a good person. yet he can stomp Super Buu up to his piccolo absorbed form, HMM. He's Wiz, and I'm Boomstick. if you think about it he wasnt a menace tbh, Gohan coulda destroy him, even Gotenks. There is Zero Evidence that Kid Buu's ki fell after Goku and Vegeta noted that it was rising. The feat itself is what I've been disagreeing with and am saying it's is just a single fight which anyone can interpret in their own way since Kid Buu's attitude during the fight and factors like that are questionable too. Kid Buu being above Buutenks or Buuhan is absolutely laughable. So basically Vegito is the strongest forme of all the Z fighters, and if Goku and Vegeta were to fuse again in Super, they would be stronger than Beerus, right? This wouldn't even mean Buutenks level if were true. https://i.gyazo.com/8fb9d89b016b4995dded4d29ae7ec7ab.png. The Genki Dama has never actually worked in DB. Pure Evil Boo and Innocent Boo are weaker than Pure Boo too, not just Mr. Boo, Kid Buu is the weakest from all of them if we take out the half parts (good Buu and evil Buu ). Tien used Ki for the Tri Beam though, not Genki which is what the Spirit bomb utilizes. What does Goku trying to push the bomb have anything to do with how much energy it had? Before I get to the technical stuff, let me just ask… Have you seen a single episode of Super? Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku are on the same level but Kid Buu has the advantage due to regen and stamina. I've literally agreed that Buuhan> by feats alone 2 pages ago so I don't see your point here. Super Buu = Fat Buu (ENRAGED) Fat Buu. WHY DO PEOPLE STILL HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS!? @wushu59: I never argued that Kid Buu has better feats ever, but that by everything including in verse statements that I see no definitive reason to dismiss, he should be stronger. Me arguing that Kid Buu>> the characters you claim him to be inferior to in order to say he isn't the strongest Buu? I know genki is a part of Ki which Toriyama did state, but I don't remember anything utilizing genki besides the Spirit Bomb and maybe Spirit fission in the last chapter of DBS. Being unable to bring himself to kill Vegeta, Goku is not able to carry it through. Your original premise was Kid Buu being stronger then Buuhan, But you can't even prove he is even close to Buutenks level using feats, And all of your scans are also revolved around statements and not actual feats. Xeno Goku faces off against Xeno Majin Buu having now merged with the Three-Star Dark Dragon Ball in battle. YES! but didn't vegeta only say that cuz he looked like a kid. I can accept Kid Buu>Base Super Buu but there's no way Buuhan is weaker than Kid Buu.My view on the matter too Him being afraid to engage Super Buu is later is something that can't be debunked though I'm well aware, it's one of the biggest inconsistencies in DB and it's up to you which you wanna believe is more consistent in a anime that has some of the worst writing ever. It's fucking basic powerscaling. Still misinterpreting what I meant? Manga makes it clear and anime really only has some statements that could be argued to show otherwise but even then with the way things play out Super Buu still is the strongest. SSJ3 Goku could have won against Kid Buu or Fat Buu.. Here is a small video of me discussing on why I think Super buu reverted back into Kid buu instead of they Grey Evil buu Super buu originally was. Our Mr. Buu is high SSJ2-tier at best, most other Buus are above Kid. He wasn't near death in any of the situations I remember. It was almost implying that he had lost size but gained power. Well that's dumb and doesn't make sense. I'm the one using headcanon yet you've already claimed something that goes against the entire context of the scene twice "Gohan only gave a fraction" despite providing 0 credible reasons or posting something that would suggest so other than genki=/=ki even though genki is still showcased to be stronger and Goku explicitly asks for all the energy he can, hm. Goku was already drained at that point and Gohan gave a fraction, You have yet to provide a single reason as to why Gohan would hold back in such a situation or show that he gave only a fraction however Goku's request is explicity asking for all the energy he can, and the genki =/= ki I've already talked about. Well that's dumb and doesn't make sense. Me arguing that Kid Buu>> the characters you claimed him to be inferior to first? Just felt like bringing it up since I like wanking Goku lol. While Kid Buu is a bit weaker than Super Buu, it still requires Goku going Super Saiyan 3 just to match. It's not really headcanon though. Wiz: Lord Beerus, God of Destruction. Kid Buu wasn’t the one that absorbed the Dai Kaioshin it was Buff Buu and Fat Buu was the result. But then Vegeta admits he's actually wrecked and has no more energy, and Goku needed to be at top physical form in SSJ3 to kill Buu, which he was no longer because he messed around. All I am doing is putting out feats that actually happen, Kid Buu factually couldn't manhandle Goku the same way he did to Vegeta and Fat Buu, Literally just going by feats and not pointless statements, You tried to pull out every trick in the bag including "bullets hurting Buu" lol, Your original premise was Kid Buu > Buuhan, At best, your flawed logic would get him above Gohan, And if Buu hand is relative to Gohan, he would obviously resist it. When did I switch the subject here? Taking advantage of this, Kid Buu goes and steps on Vegeta, and laughs while holding him hostage. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. Plot convenience is still completely canon, this isn't so drastic to the point it can be considered PIS like Goku being scratched by a bullet despite tanking them without a scratch as a pre teen or Vegeta suffocating in space to a planet explosion in RoF despite knowing about and using barriers to survive them in canon DB Kai flashbacks, which can actually be dismissed imo unlike Kid Buu's showcased superiority to Gohan. I don't know how hard this is to get. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Boomstick: But what if we stick the two most powerful, and probably the 2 most ridiculous villains against one another, no Whis. Buuhan is vastly superior to Buutenks. https://i.gyazo.com/db7810fe0080a6e47dd59bc359c35f5c.png, It's on the fence with Buuhan but saying Super Buu>Kid Buu is ridiculous when Goku literally laughs and says Gohan could stomp Buu with Piccolo absorbed by himself, yet all the energy from the same Gohan in the SB wasn't enough to defeat Kis Buu, https://comicvine.gamespot.com/api/image/scale_super/7683936-2243053054-77ee0.png, Sorry if the links are an inconvenience images stopped uploading properly for me lol, Gohan factually can't solo Kid Buu according to himself (and he says this after sensing the tremendous clash of Ki between Goku and Buu, could've been referring to the SB but probably not and referred to the struggle of them trying to overpower the other since he says clash and the SB is one singular concentration of Ki; https://i.gyazo.com/08e48f4515f2da43977e45b53cd25476.png). Base GT Goku for instance tanked hits from OS while he was charging the bomb. Fused Buu > Kid Buu/Super Buu (edge goes to kid buu for being insane) > Fat Buu > Evil Buu > Good Buu. Nope that doesn't work at all. You know how DBZ works. Good Buu (Mr. Buu). Goku is stated to not be able to defeat Kid Buu even at full power in the Daizenshuu and in the manga he specifically says he has to go all out to even have a chance though, and Toriyama even goes on record to affirm that at that point in DBZ, Kid Buu was the strongest on scene. Then Gohan would be giving a fraction of his energy. Dude, you are the one using head canon based on nothing but statements based on assumptions of characters that are dis-proven by feats. Every piece of information in the manga tells us that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. I'm the one using headcanon yet you've already claimed twice "Gohan only gave a fraction" despite providing 0 credible reasons or posting someone that would suggest so other than genki=/=ki even though genki is still showcased to be stronger and Goku explicitly asks for all the energy he can, hm. Lol Goku was literally laughing at how Buupiccolo couldn't defeat him and even powered down, but I guess later inside Buu it does seem to be contradicted, you take your pick for which you want to believe amidst DB's laughably terrible and inconsistent writing. Kid Buu wins, against current fit buu. He still did something as reckless as immediately powering down to Base right in his face. Absolute bare minimum Kid Buu>Super Buu with piccolo absorbed. Gonna try and get sleep I've been up for like 5 days straight lol. Vegeta tells Goku he cannot move and to throw the bomb without worrying about him. Anyone who says kid buu is stronger doesn't know how to pay attention to shows. Vegeta survived it, Furiza survived it, and they had Kid Buu push it back because they wanted to create suspense and despair. I'm not saying Goku reached Buuhan level (maybe after the last zenkai in the series when Dende restores his energy, Buuhan is a dramatic leap over Buutenks who has a leap over Gohan who has a leap over Base Buu who was stronger then Goku. Vegeta told the humans on earth that giving all their genki would be akin to the tiredness felt after going on a run. and he overpowers Buu as SS1 and then Daizenshuu states Goku as the strongest but that's kinda irrelevant here), but I don't think he has to be to fight with a Kid Buu that's been goofing off. You also have Gohan and of the other 7 fighters giving a fraction. It's your head canon that Gohan can give up every last drop of ki . And yeah, it's why I'm saying that genki is showcased to be stronger than it's source. Headcanon and an argument from incredulity in one go, damn. If Kid Buu wasn't showcased in two instances to be superior to Ultimate Gohan and the Spirit Bomb with all his energy I'd never even think about arguing Kid Buu>Super Buu, but that's what shown and several statements do support it with only one inconsistency. Withdrawing a sword he slices Xeno Majin Buu in half before turning his attention towards Xeno Goku who rushes in to attack hi… By logic of ki = life force (For Example, Tien dying in Saiyan Saga from using all of his energy for Tri-Beam), Then Gohan would be giving a fraction of his energy. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I really don't understand the logic behind this Kid Buu wank. Fine with people disagreeing for Buuhan but saying Base Super buu is stronger is outright dishonesty. Goku was weak from all the fighting + going SSJ3 for the first time as human (revived), but he could beat him if given proper time to rest or maybe a senzu bean, bruh i think it goes more like 1.buuhan 2.buutenks 3.buucolo 4.super buu 5.kid buu 6.fat buu 7.evil buu 8.good buu, the reason i would put kid buu above fat buu is because remember:old kai said he got weaker absorbing that kai,turninng into fat buu. Why didn’t Goku just finish him off right then and there? Just be mad we have had to answer this fucking question a million times. In the end, the good Majin Buu shoots out the Transfiguration Beam, and the Evil Buu blows it back towards him, turning the good Majin Buu into a piece of chocolate. Otherwise he would have attacked him and killed him. Kid Buu fires many Ki Blasts, each one larger than the previous, at Goku, who tries to dodge the… In the final battle against Kid Buu, Good Buu desperately tried to use the chocolate beam to defeat Kid Buu, but it was also unsuccessful. Why did I watch this as a kid, thinking Kid Buu was his most powerful form? The first thing that Super Buu did after he transformed (aside from cracking his neck and powering up) was to brutally kill the deranged gunman Smitty by going down his throat in liquid form and causing him to burst. He did not kill Mr. Satan, however, as part of Good Buu inside him remembered Satan, so he went to Kami's Lookout (as he could now sense energy signatures). My original premise has been Kid Buu>>Buuhan by everything presented overall which includes canon credible statements about how strong he is which I've never gone back on, not by just feats alone which I've already agreed Buuhan is>. Now Kid Buu is basically in control of his body again, but the GSK stil causes him to have a soft spot for Hercule and Bee. I could never be a mod here. Kid Buu is consistently showcased with feats, statements and implications to be superior to Super Buu with the only real contradiction being Goku barely being just barely able to fight on par with him even when he's goofing around while being stated multiples times including by himself to be inferior. Super Buu, Goku was scared to fight him without fusion while he was confident to fight Kid Buu 1 on 1. And at least it's not headcanon that isn't supported by something in the manga, which is Goku demanding everyone to give all the energy they can and Gohan having no plausible reason to not do so while having every reason to help his dad to the fullest extent to beat Buu right there. Ultra Buu (Buff Buu) Buuccolo. I also thought the same way, it's a common misconception. EDIT: Apparently the show seems to imply that super buu is stronger than kid buu… I'm not saying Goku reached Buuhan level (maybe after the last zenkai in the series when Dende restores his energy and he overpowers a serious Kid Buu as SS1 and then Daizenshuu states Goku as the strongest but that's kinda irrelevant here), but I don't think he has to be to fight with a Kid Buu that's been goofing off. And Buutenks is vastly Superior to Base Super Buu. Goku has formed the Super Spirit Bomb and is ready to throw it. SS3 Goku (buu saga) vs Super Buu Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. So at the very least Kid Buu>Gohan, ye or nah, There is no way you can justify Goku & Kid Buu magically reaching Buutenks and Buuhan levels, If you claim Goku Zenkai, at best they surpassed Base Super Buu / Gotenks level, There is no way you can justify Goku & Kid Buu magically reaching Buutenks and Buuhan levels, If you claim Goku Zenkai, at best they surpassed Base Super Buu / Gotenks level. My friend, he mocked Super Buu because he knew he had a monster in his son right next to him. I feel so dumb seeing these comments now. That was mostly the fault of the funimation script. It was plot. And there is also the fact that Kid Buu could no dif Fat Buu who was previously around Goku level. SSJ3 Goku couldn't use his full power against Fat Buu which is why he was struggling with him for a bit. Quite honestly power levels confuse me because there are so many levels to transforming that it makes it hard to follow. The fans pressured Toriyama to make Goku the hero again, so he had to write everyone out of the final battle and have Goku win. No matter how much you try that, won't change the fact bullets still pierced Buu like butter onscreen and damaging him isn't a good feat whatsoever unless he desperately tries to resist like during the SB. I never argued that Kid Buu has better feats ever. This would make sense because Goku almost always has to charge the bomb while in base and he seems to get stronger and more durable while he's charging it. This is the correct list (except you're missing Buuccolo between Buff Buu and Super Buu). And Gotenks was having trouble against Super Buu even at Super Saiyan 3 himself Base only is getting destroyed Or characters with immense strength and capabilities. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! 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